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One of my favourite pics in my gallery has had 100 views, but has not received a single comment.  It's a B & W shot taken between races at Snetterton.  O.K. in the thumbnail it may look a little boring when viewed so small, but when it is viewed as large as possible (on this site) I think it has plenty of atmosphere, and I really like the way the sun is reflected on the car windscreens in the bottom right of the picture. The small detail makes it. The weather was really strange at the time I took the shot and the sun just popped through the clouds for a few mins during the day.  I do like "moody" shots and subjects that are a little different that tell some sort of story (e.g. the girl with the spare tyre on page 2 of my gallery).  Hence, no pictures of flowers in my gallery apart from a lilly that reminded me of a boiled egg!  I always try to imagine what the picture would look like blow up to poster size, and then try to critique my own shots.

I can only look at so many pictures of flowers, as beautiful as they are.  Yes, they are lovely, they don't move, and yes, you can easily get them in focus with different aspects of "depth of field" etc. So, easy shots really. Just follow the instructions in "the book"! They don't seem to challenge photographic skills until the creative photographer has some sort of angle on the subject (eg. flower worn in the hair, floating on water, taken in unusual places etc.)  

There are some terrific, creative shots in many of the galleries on this site, many of which also don't get comments, or very few.  Lets be honest, how many times have you seen comments like "great capture", "good shot", "I like it", "well done" when, in fact, what you are really thinking is - "boring", "rubbish", "out of focus", "overexposed", "my 5 year old could easily have taken a better shot with their point'n'shoot".

Let's have more constructive criticism, then we will all have the opportunity to improve our photography.  It doesn't have to be abusive or insulting! 

Have a look at the shot I was talking about above (and perhaps some of the other shots in my gallery) and really tell me what you think - I dare you!

Here's the link: http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/gallery/88902/122356

Alan

 

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Date Fri, 27/08/2010 - 13:45
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Let's have more constructive criticism, then we will all have the opportunity to improve our photography.

Yes, please Smile A few weeks ago i asked for constructive comments on some new photos in my gallery and got really great and helpful feedback. It makes so much sense to see a photo through some others eyes.

I am giving more comments than i receive and i can detect myself in some of the things you have written. To give a real supportive critique takes some thoughts and time. Sometimes i just write the usual 'nice shot' when i think it is a nice shot. Many times i suppose it would be helpful to a member if i would simply write 'outrageous, read the manual, worst photo this week' but as we don't know how others are in real life i don't.

Actually i found that up to now there was only one single negative reaction to any 'I do not like it' (polite, constructive) comment i gave here. It seems there are a lot of members in this forum who would like to see more constructive criticism of their own photos. On the other hand many seem to feel unapt to give some or just think that they might hurt others feelings.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a separate forumsection in which single photos could be posted on which members want real, tough criticism.

 


 

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Date Fri, 27/08/2010 - 19:55
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truthful comment : this aint a photo feature.

You did ask Smile

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Date Sat, 28/08/2010 - 10:08
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I would agree with Torres. Surely an 'article' is something which should inform other photographers, not be a 'point of view. I think that this should be on Open Discussion. It is a bit like folk posting single photos in the Photoblog section - having spent days sorting out a tutorial it will be buried very quickly if this type of 'comment' is added in this forum.

RAW  tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/146826

Processing Photos tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/147565

Be what you are, say what you feel, 'cos those that mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind.

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Date Sat, 28/08/2010 - 13:51
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Shouldn't this space be headed Tutorials or Editorials then? or something similar.

Dictionary: (newspaper columncolumn) - an article giving opinions or perspectives.

As this is a photography site where people can give comments about photographs submitted by members.  (probably the original intention of the site), I, for one, find this site becoming more of a glorified "chat room" for people with cameras rather than the other way round.

I still feel that I have written an article. (third & fourth paragraphs are the important ones) O.K. it could be in "open discussion" section too. I just chose to put it here.

Surely, the content of what I was saying is more important than where this ARTICLE  was placed on this site.

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Date Sat, 28/08/2010 - 17:19
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I suspect that those who paste single photos in the photoblog section would also say 'the content is more important than where it is'. Which may be why Fuji have been relectant to change the wording of what can be placed in a photoblog.

But compiling a tutorial (there are two recent one which I have just completed) does take days of work. Each step in the process has to be 'captured' and where it is necessary for clear explanation of what you are doing, quite frequently a 'menu' has to be isolated by cropping round it and saving as a separate 'photo', in order for folk to see what you are referring to. Each image then has to be resized in order for it to be accepted by tnymce, and the progression of the photos has to be clearly defined a) for yourself and b) for clarity.

I could write a similar 'comment' to the one above in no more than half an hour (probably less). To make thie above into an 'article', from my point of view, I think you would need to use actual photos in the text (instead of vague references) and give many more examples of what you are talking about. It should also be de-personalised, i.e. starting the whole with a comment about one of your photos could be interpreted as a way of looking for comments on your work. An article would be objective as far as is possible. And the above  also finishes with a personal appeal for folk to look at your image(Drunk.

So looking at the above from what I perceive as a 'Photo Feature' article it falls short in many aspects. There is little objectivity, there is no information, it is of limited appeal. Your previous 'article' entitled 'Weird Lighthouse' was more informative and had a wider appeal - but I also think (honest opinion and my opinion) is that it should have been on Open Discussion.

I have written (I think) almost as much as you and it has taken me 20 minutes.

I understand how the photobloggers feel - but I stopped doing those after the first month of this site! Wall, hitting, head, come to mind.

RAW  tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/146826

Processing Photos tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/147565

Be what you are, say what you feel, 'cos those that mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind.

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Date Wed, 01/09/2010 - 19:58
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I am with Angie D on this one as I thought this is where People who have taken very good shots then tell you how its done or what Euipment they used and so forth

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Date Thu, 02/09/2010 - 07:49
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If you want CC, try another site that's aimed more at photographic technique and creativity and less on the 'holiday snaps' and 'my garden' - type image.  I've posted images here which are 'outside the norm' and by and large, they've gone ignored.  Yet one image I'd first posted here was published in print and online by 2 national daily newspapers (one in their Sunday magazine) and is about to be published in a official city guide.  Added to that,  it'll pay for a half-decent tripod!  

If I'd carried on taking the kind of photos that seem to be favoured on this site,  that wouldn't have happened.  Not that there's anything wrong with posting photos of flowers, but if anyone wants to up their game, then perhaps they need to go elsewhere.

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Date Fri, 03/09/2010 - 08:57
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We all have to start somewhere.

Flowers are on the whole; Attractive, colourful, immobile, easily accessible, cheap.

Once I am content that I can take reasonable shots of flowers et al, I will probably move on to things which offer a small degree of further difficulty - ie the ubiquitous BOAF, flowers which involve visiting exotic gardens (and therefore cost with travel/entry fees) or zoo's to find slightly more interesting animals. Neilwheel, I think the whole point is that you didn't "carry on taking the kind of photo's favoured on this site". You have evolved, but I'm sure that you took time in doing so. We don't all have the same amount of free time, the same aptitude for learning, the same equipment, or financial freedom to buy the newest/best/flashiest gadgets. Congratulations on getting your shot/s published, if thats what you want to achieve. I'll be happy with just seeing an improvement in my potography for now!

It's about personal ability & self improvement IMHO, sure the odd comment here and there helps - especially if it's constructive. We all take pictures of things which interest us initially and perhaps others in the longer term. Personally I like bugs, flowers, animals, landscapes, my cats. Of less interest to me are trucks, bowls of fruit, litter on pavements and abstract architecture - that means I'm less likely to comment on those types of shots, but not necessarily that I don't appreciate the time and effort someone may have put into taking them. Therefore any comments I do post on such shots are likely to be more basic. C'est la vie.

Fortunately or unfortunately, it would be unrealistic to have to police this site to include or exclude contributors for being 'not good enough' or 'too good' for this site (by whose standards?). Hopefully they will merely learn what they can from it, stay and become valuable assets and regular contributors, or find another site which they feel has more to offer for them at the level they currently are or wish to attain.

I'm here because I own a fuji camera, and want a forum where I can ask questions, and maybe obtain feedback in the hope of improving, which I think I am doing. I'll play by the rules, or go along with the majority consensus (ie multi-shot blogs, although single or even shot-free blogs are allowed by FUJI) but some of what I have seen on certain postings, amounts to little more than cyber-bullying.

Kaz

 

Be yourself. Above all, let who you are, what you are, what you believe, shine through every sentence you write, every piece you finish. John Jakes

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52498776@N02/

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Date Tue, 14/09/2010 - 14:52
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Well said Kaz, completely agree!

Vicki

Amateur 'snapper' only too pleased for you to view my gallery and any advice/criticism welcome ...

http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/competition/entry/179338 

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Date Tue, 14/09/2010 - 19:11
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I also agree with what Kaz said

 

If I visit a gallery and dont like the pictures I think its better not to say anything, no point in creating bad feelings because of a difference in tastes.  Just as you avoid galleries with pictures of flowers I avoid those with lots of cars or aeroplanes.  I feel there is no need for negative comments disguised as 'CC'.  Example, I have had it suggested I should lighten one of my pictures in software.  The picture in question was taken in low light caused by dark clouds, I want the picture to show that, I love the 'moodiness'.I dont want it to look artificially bright so comments like that are not welcome.  Im not the type to get all huffy over such things but there are a few who are and we should spare them a thought.

I do suspect this article was a ploy to get some views though and as the subject of the picture was car racing I wasnt tempted.

So long and thanks for all the fish

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Date Tue, 14/09/2010 - 20:18
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I was not advertising for more views.  I am not at all interested in getting lots of views.  I am though, genuinely interested in the opinions of others who look at my shots.  If someone likes what I do - great.  If they don't, it would be useful to know why.  As you say Andy, if the subject matter is not of interest, fair enough, no comment needed.  But if a "don't like it" comment is registered, it would be good to know why, and in their opinion, what they would have done to improve the shot.  All I want is to take better pictures

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