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Uploading pictures the right way up

As may be seen on my recent blogs, vertical pictures have come out horizotal on uploading. It's quite an annoying problem to say the least! Anyway, I transfer the images from my camera to the computer using Nikon view NX2 software. All the pictures appear in the Nikon view NX2 viewer and organizer, the right way up. These same pictures which are also instantly transferred to my picture library are also the right way up. HOWEVER,  as soon as I upload pictures from the picture library to the finepix website, hey presto the verticals are all the wrong way round! Does anyone have a solution to this niggly problem? Thanking you in advance. Karen

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Date Mon, 16/09/2013 - 11:35
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You could try viewing them in Windows Explorer and rotating them there. Obviously the software you are using is only 'virtually' rotating them. If the programme rotates them automatically it may allow you to rotate them yourself - possibly in the 'Image' section of the software there should be a 'Rotate' or 'Landscape'/'Portrait' button somewhere. This should then be permanent and not just apply on your PC.

Picture libraries are not 'actual' libraries - they only retain the address of the image not the actual image, so what is rotated is the information for the library not the photo.

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Date Mon, 16/09/2013 - 11:54
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Have a look in the camera's menu . There may be an "auto rotate" option there. Set that correctly and save the hassle of having tae manually rotate all the images. Failing that, the only option is, as Angie suggested. Cool

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Date Mon, 16/09/2013 - 13:47
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Hi Karen.

I assume that you are using Windows 7.

For some reason since after windows XP, Nikon camera jpg output is not being read correctly by my cameras either, with portraiture shots coming out in landscape mode regardless of the rotate commands set on the camera.

They do show the right way around in ViewNX but you must look at them with Windows picture viewer to see how they would look uploaded to a website.

The RAW files come out fine but not the jpgs. I'm assuming this is a Windows thing as I've only had this problem since changing to Windows 7, 64 bit.

The problem is you can't batch rotate them if you have a mixture of shots.

It's possible the latest version of ViewNX could rectify this if you are not already running it but I'm not sure it will.

You can only try.

Latest version is here.

Make sure you download the correct version.

https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/58012

As for me, I work mainly with the RAW files which on export to jpg are the correct way around, but the shot jpgs straight from camera do need rotation for correct viewing in Windows picture viewer or export to websites.

They are fine if viewed in View, Capture, or Photoshop.

I have tried all variations and only RAW files are exported from my cameras with the right orientation using the 'Setup Camera Menu' in the camera to rotate tall. All jpgs are still in the wrong orientation for portrait taken shots although they appear OK in ViewNX and CaptureNX.

The other Rotate command  in the 'Playback Menu' only effects the view on the screen of the camera.

I have just updated both my versions of Capture and View and no improvement.

Even Photoshop bridge has the same import problems.

The only conclusion I can draw is it's a problem between Windows and Nikon camera output as even importing via windows produces the same results.

The only two solutions I have is to rotate them manually in Windows or to save them on export from the editors which seems to clear the problem.

This does not seem to effect how the editing programs then see them.

This has been the one oddity for me since upgading to Win 7 64 bit.

I don't know if Win 7 32 bit is the same or not or if anyone else is having the same things happen.

I always make sure the files show normally in windows before uploading to any website but then most of my pictures are edited if only to be cropped.

 

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Date Mon, 16/09/2013 - 18:43
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Hi

This problem of incorrect orientation has occured on this site before. It also happens on other sites such as facebook.

Rotating with Adobe Photoshop seems to work but other programmes fail.

I use Windows 7 64 bit, the same as Ray and do not have this difficulty. I also use a Nikon with all images uploaded through Adobe Lightroom where the correct orientation is shown.

Kind regards,

Chas.

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Date Mon, 16/09/2013 - 21:21
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The images in any editor or viewing application is fine here Chas, it's how Windows picture viewer shows them and how they apear in folders, and how they upload to a website straight from camera in portrait mode via Win 7 that is a problem.

The NEF (RAW) files are the correct way up but not the jpgs and yet both jpgs and RAW files are correct for landscape shots.

 

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 08:59
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I would say that Windows Picture Viewer is acting in the same way as as any other library - it is only using the address of the image to show that image. If the image has been rotated by photographic software then it will show them properly rotated.

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 09:19
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Then why do they display like this in the viewers Angie.

PS Bridge.

 

ViewNX

You can see the RAW + the corresponding jpg showing correctly orientated.

 

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 09:54
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Because View NX and Bridge are photographic software - they receive the image itself and portray the image as an image, they understand the exif,  the viewer is only a library and doesn't 'see' the image only the address. I would guess that the difference between the RAW and the Jpeg is that before it leaves the camera the RAW has been rotated or at least the exif has been altered in some way. I have no experience of this as I never shoot Jpeg images. But it could be as Tao has suggested that there is the possibility that the camera can be asked to rotate Jpegs. Lightroom too is also a library and to work on an image in Lightroom it creates a duplicate which is an 'actual'  image but has to be saved as such.

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 10:52
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Thanking everyone very much for their detailed replies. I will study them again in an effort to try and work out what can be done regarding this problem.  Karen

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 12:12
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Hi Angie.

There are two ways on a Nikon DSLR to change the view of a picture taken in the portrait mode.

One changes or adds the information to the exif, the other shows the picture the right way up in the view screen of the camera only, rather than having to tilt the view screen, useful when a camera is tripod mounted for reviewing images.

I have tried turning one or both on and off and ony the RAW files get rotated in any of the combinations of settings during importing to the PC.

It must happen on import.

When I used Windows XP everything worked just fine.

Win 7, 64 bit just doesn't and I have no idea why.

All the old folders made with XP on hard drives both internal and external show with correct orientation with all file types. 

It's a complete mystery to me as I've tried importing directly using Win 7 and all my importing programs with the same results.

I can live with it as I only use the jpgs as reference guides and I can change the orientation of one of my monitors if I need to.

Annoying though Smile

 

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 15:57
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Could it be that the Exif is missing from the Jpegs and therefore they have not been rotated, whereas the exif is retained on the RAW?

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Date Tue, 17/09/2013 - 20:43
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Hi Angie.

I think if the exif were missing it would show the wrong orientation within the editing / library packages as well.
In one respect I don't mind as it makes finding a jpg easier when browsing in folders via windows.

At least for the verticle ones Smile

 

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Date Wed, 18/09/2013 - 14:39
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This is all very technical and hard for me to take in, so will have to really reread this in an attempt to understand some of it. Not sure what exif is. Anyway, I have uploaded pics to facebook and they have been fine, so could it be something to do with this website?

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Date Wed, 18/09/2013 - 15:44
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The exif Karen is the details of the photo - i.e. shutter speed, focus, aperture, date, time, programme etc which is recorded by the camera and added to the details of each image. To see it right click on an image and open 'Properties' then go to Details. This will reveal the exif.

Don't use Facebook so I cannot answer the other question.

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 15:16
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There are two ways a photo can be rotated.  The first is an orientation tag in the exif data which basically says "please rotate this picture".  The software has to read this data.  The other way is to physically rotate this picture.

The problem could occur if the Finepix website is ignoring the exif data in the former case or, in the second case, the picture has been physically rotated but the orientation tag hasn't been removed.

With nikon view, when you convert files, I think it physically rotates.  So go into File --> convert, make the longest edge about 500 pixels (so it is small enough for the Finepix website) and save to a new folder.  Then upload that.

 

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 15:18
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Can you put one that is wrongly rotated on the Finepix website.  I'll download it and look at the exif.

 

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 15:31
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As she said Alan - they are in her blogs

http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/blog/687149/647814

RAW  tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/146826

Processing Photos tutorial http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/article/83/147565

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 21:30
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I looked at dscf9198.jpg.  This has not be physically rotated and all the metadata has been stripped out.  If uploading strips out the metadata then the only way to do it is to make sure the photo is physically rotated.

I did this with jpegtran, using the command line

jpegtran -progressive  -rotate 90 -trim -copy all kfdscf9198.jpg > kfdscf9198_r.jpg

There seems to be a Windows version of jpegtran call jpegcrop but I have never used it.

 There seem to be lots of applications to choose from that use the same software in the background.

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 22:40
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This post was incorrect.  I can't see how to delete it.

 

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Date Fri, 20/09/2013 - 23:02
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I've come to a conclusion on this one.  The photograph I uploaded to the foreign birds thread had both been physically rotated and had the orientation tag set to "rotate 90 degrees".  As most browsers ignore the orientation tag, this error on my part has not been much of a problem and I've fixed my scripts since that photo was taken in 2010.  However, when loaded to Myfinepix, it looks OK.

So I reckon the orientation tag is being ignored by the uploader, the exif data are being stripped out, and the orientation is being determined by the physical orientation of the photo.