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Aperture v Shutter

It has often puzzled me ( it dont take much) why, when camera it set on A - aperture control and bracketing it takes three shots at different shutter speeds rather than different apertures. I would have expected looking at the exif details that  say a shot is metered correctly at F6.7 and 1/250, it takes one image at that, then one underexposed at F11 and 1/250 and one overexposed at F4 and 1/250. But no! what happens is I see F7 1/640, F7 1/1250, F7 1 /800. These are the results I would expect to find when set to S and not A. Those settings are examples using +/- 1 ev.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 12:32
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What happens when you use Shutter priority?

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 12:41
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Bracketing changes exposure time, not aperture, If it changed aperture, your shots would have different DOF, meaning they will not blend correctly Wink

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 12:57
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Chris, yes I understand that aspect, but for landscapes where the focus is on infinity it wouldnt have that problem surely?

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 13:12
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Would another alternative  to bracketing by altering shutter speeds be to alter exposure via three different ISO settings?

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 13:33
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but for landscapes where the focus is on infinity it wouldnt have that problem surely?

The depth of field would still change if the aperture became wider, even if set on infinity; as the aperture becomes wider the amount of the image in sharp focus toward the front of the frame would change. The camera is presuming you have chosen the aperture you wish to work with and therefore changes the shutter speed. If you were to do the same in shutter priority, and selected a shutter speed, then the aperture would change accordingly.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 13:39
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Having said all that, why don't you experiment with manual settings; you can decide on whether it's more important to prioritise aperture or shutter, depending on what it is you want to capture, then you can alter either the shutter speed or the aperture accordingly, plus the ISO, though I prefer to use a lowest ISO possible and also find that a slightly underexposed image, according to what the camera tells me, give a colours a much more saturated look.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 14:34
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AEB = Auto Exposure Bracketing. It's purpose is to bracket different exposures only. Even focused to infinity, the DOF of foreground objects, would still change, if the aperture is changed. By changing aperture, it controls the volume of light coming in, rather than the actual exposure to the light coming in.

Only ISO and shutter speed can alter exposure only. Aperture, although it can be used to control the light that is needed for an exposure, it also alters the way in which the light hits the sensor/film, as well as the DOF within a given image. It also has an effect on lens effects such as CA, which will also effect the image as a whole. So to have an AAB (Auto Aperture Bracketing) system would be near on useless Wink

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 16:02
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Aperture Priority mode is an automatic exposure mode which gives priority to the Aperture setting that YOU choose. So when the camera is bracketing exposures, it will only change the length of exposure because by setting aperture priority, you've told it not to change aperture.

Conversely, in Shutter priority, the shutter speed remains as you set it and the camera varies the aperture.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 16:21
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Conversely, in Shutter priority, the shutter speed remains as you set it and the camera varies the aperture.

You sure about that? Not known an AEB mode, that changes aperture, on any camera I've ever had. All do the same, which is adjust exposure via shuter speed, no matter what pre-set mode you use

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 16:44
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Well, as far as I know how my own camera (S9600) works, I'm reasonably convinced that's right!

The section of the manual about Shutter Priority says:

In scenes that are extremely overexposed, the aperture setting F8 appears in red. When this occurs, select a faster shutter speed.

In scenes that are extremely underexposed, the aperture setting F2.8 appears in red. When this occurs, select a slower shutter speed.

Whilst it doesn't say so in so many words, it implies that the camera is adjusting the aperture to the limit one way or the other until it can't get a correct exposure, when you will need to manually adjust the shutter speed. But I can't say that I've tried bracketing with Shutter priority ...

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 16:58
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Those are the standard warnings for under and over exposed "single" shots in Shutter Priority mode (I believe). AEB works like a separate shooting mode, no matter what pre-set mode you are using. It adjusts the exposure time of 3 separate shots, in order to increase dynamic range, when the 3 or more shots are blended together Wink It does this by increasing or decreasing the shutter speed, to give a +/- exposure, either side of the correct exposure. If it did this in any way other than shutter speed (or in some cases ISO) adjustments, it would fundamentally alter each image, meaning blending them would be near on impossible, or with very poor results.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 17:10
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Yes, I've just tried bracketing - in Aperture priority, the speed is bracketed, and in Shutter priority, the aperture is adjusted between shots.

i agree that changing aperture like this will change the images rather than just the exposure, but to my understanding, the purpose of bracketing is to allow you more chances to get a good exposure, NOT to get a set of images suitable for HDR type merging (though that would be useful for those who like HDR rather more than I do!)

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 17:13
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 For birds in flght i use shutter priority with auto ISO, which i set the min and max say 100 and 800, say i set the shutter at 1/1000 if it is bright the camera may select F8 so when the light level drops, the camera will then select the next wider aperture say F6.3  and shoot at this until the light level dropped again, if i had had no more wider apertures, ( say the lens was 500mm-F6.3) then the camera would raise the ISO to say 200 to achieve the correct exposure for the parameters set and would continue to do so as the light changed up or down. This would be regardless of the exposure compensation you were using. This is only my opinion and it works for me and my Nikon, also the OP may be using a bridge camera with auto ISO enabled.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 17:36
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Hmmmm just checked, and you are indeed correct. Even my Canon does this in TV (Shutter priority). What is the point in that? The 3 shots it took at +/-2 were f1.4, f2.2 and f5, and there is no way in a million years they could be merged. And no way on earth you could say all 3 were even similar enough, to use it to choose best shot out of 3. What a totally useless feature lol

Ya learn something new all the time, and I've learnt my Canon has a useless feature lol. But then again, I shoot manual and RAW virtually all the time, so pre-set modes don't really get a look in at my end lol

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 18:18
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The S9600 does +/- 1 stop at most when bracketing. Coupled with its tiny sensor which gives enormous depth of field, it's probably not quite as useless as the same thing on your Canon.

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Date Thu, 12/04/2012 - 19:11
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These 2 images are both composed of merged exposure-bracketed shots taken on Shutter Priority at 1/4sec with my Canon 450D.....works for me! (click on links for better large views in gallery)

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http://www.myfinepix.co.uk/gallery/194757/253739